Why go to so much trouble to convince us we're orbiting the sun at 66.666mph? Because the next bit of the agenda is hinged on us buying into space fantasy.
Hmmmm. What a prospect - watching and then listening to that turd, Musk, trying to persuade me he is a big brain. Take off mate, go back to the CIA, fer the luv a Jaysus. Add to this we have West Wing cutesiness round about same time, was it, do I care, as cutesy Tony Blair was bringing us kool Britania - watchunder I got a tchnicolor yawn coming on. Nuff already - I'm off for a walk.
Musk is like Trump's shadow. Don't remember anyone electing him. He's on a charm offensive. Ironman is here to save the day. Good man getting out for a walk. Beautiful night. The moon's so bright.
Thanks Aisling. You're doing a great job, the job that we all appreciate, involving work that real journalists do. I just hit a point where my instincts and nostrils said give it a break.
You, recent discovery Russ Winter of Winter Watch, Chris Hedges, Whitney Webb, Norman Finkelstein, The Gray Zone, Glen Greenwald, Corbett, Caitlin Johnstone, help keep me sane. I know I left somebody out . . hmm. Ah Jimmy Dore, Gript, John Waters, Who else? Oh yes, Gemma O' Doherty - and that does it.
Just ask where does Musk earn his billions? It's not from selling Teslas. Space X is a major government contractor. Does anyone really think that Musk will give that all up in the name of government efficiency?
Ok Aisling. I know you'll forgive me because you realise there has to be room for a bit o' kidding. That's what the unelected misery merchants want - no kidding, no joy, no dancin 'n singing. No mentioning zionists, freemasons and jesuits. Screw the lot o' these losers.
I genuinely don’t know what to believe. But I’m open to the earth being flat even though most people I know would think I was a looney bin if I said so. And very strange that people can’t go there without being chaperoned. What’s that about?
Hi Dorothy, it's very interesting to observe the way Flat Earth is managed in the alternative media and in the mainstream media. On this side of the fence we have the gatekeepers and the ones positioned to make it sound absurd and unreasonable and over the fence they do everything to kill the debate. The best way to be is open to new information and weed out the nonsense as best you can.
One of my thoughts was this Aisling : when Jesus ascended into Heaven he was taken up & the disciples stood & watched him go up. If it had been Australia He would have been going down & not up. And when he returns through the clouds, how will every eye see him, like the Bible says they will, if some people are down below. To my human brain this doesn’t make sense though God’s ways are different to ours & there are maybe things that we don’t understand (like a completely different type of science that allows you to be up side down at the same time that others are upright 😂😂😂).
Why conflate the two? My positions are clear. They're lying about the shape of the Earth. Space fantasy will play a crucial part in the next phase of the New World Order agenda. Richard D Hall is an intelligence asset who misled his followers to reach a false conclusion: no bomb, no victims. Why? To make conspiracy theorists look stupid and untrustworthy so the wider public are turned off. A bit like this 'final experiment' - the goal is to make those questioning NASA's lies look daft. It's important to know how and why they're playing us.
Hahaaaaaaaaa! Richard Hall or not, the Manchester bombing was a hoax. I and many others sussed that out at the time. Meanwhile, many people think flerfers are there to discredit conspiracy theories. Good luck on your trail……wherever it leads your subscribers.
Since you have it all worked out, can you explain what killed the victims and how did the survivors sustain their injuries? Would be very interested in your take. So far, nobody can provide a proper answer to this most crucial part of the equation.
Dave White: Wrong. My granddaughter in law got her eardrums burst by the force of the blast which she didn't even hear as she was too close to it.
My grandson heard it from his car outside...he was there to collect her and her sister. They ran past people with blood streaming down their faces. My daughter, herself an ex nurse, knew two of the nurses who treated the victims in MRI. This was almost certainly a false flag but definitely not a hoax. It's easy to make pronouncements like that if you weren't there.
Ah jaysus, Ash. You re a cracking fine girl, and i'd be proud to call ya me daughter with your feisty style and your strong words but Will ye ever shtop with the CIA approved smoke and mirror routine. Mon now girl.
Kevin, the real CIA psyop is to call flat Earth a CIA psyop to discredit the movement! The YouTube Flat Earthers with large audiences cannot be trusted - their job is to throw people off the scent and undermine the movement. You'll soon see I'm not wasting time with this one as the space fantasy nonsense takes centre stage. Bear with me. I know it seems nutty but I'm not half as crazy as I look.
Y'ever hear of the "wilderness of mirrors", Princess? Have a look at it if you haven't. You're either wandering around in it, or clipping the hedge around it. Xx
Hi Ashling, Would be interested on your thoughts on 2 Ezra and the Book of Enoch and if we can trust them having been excluded from the modern KJV. God is not the author of confusion and he promised us he would give us his word so my gut tells me not to but the verse you quoted has me very curious.
Hi Anthony, I really don't know what to make of the Angel Uriel bit tbh. Maybe that's why it's not included in the main Bible and is part of the Aprocrypha. I still haven't read the Book of Enoch. I tried to read a downloaded version but I'd prefer to hold the book in my hands - you never see it to buy though which is telling. Interested in your thoughts on the subject.
Hi Ashling, Just IMHO I have tended to avoid these so called lost books of the Bible because, if God wanted us to read them and if they were indeed inspired, they would not have been omitted from the KJV that we have today for us, for what I believe is the last generation before his return . You can go down a real rabbit hole with the whole "watchers" thing to be honest. My feeling is that we don't need them. God talks about the simplicity that is in knowing Jesus and we have 66 books of his inspired word that will more than keep me busy for now. :-)
God knows who believes and who doesn't. He woke me up back towards the end of 2012. I had my light bulb moment when I learned that Jacques Vallee was convinced that UFO phenomenon were demonic in origin and from a different dimension and not this universe as most believe. Dr. Jacques F. Vallee has long been regarded as the most respected and senior scientific investigator of unidentified aerial phenomena. He was the inspiration for the French UFO researcher in Steven Spielberg’s Close Encounters of the Third Kind. He has investigated reports of UFOs all over the world. In the late 60’s, Vallee began exploring the commonalities between UFOs, the paranormal, and folklore. His observations were detailed in his book, Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers, in which he suggested a multidimensional hypothesis.
I went on a long journey of discovery after that, which led me down many rabbit holes. It eventually led me to Rob Skiba who I personally believe was murdered.
We are clearly told by God in Genesis 1 right from the beginning. The Sun the Moon and the Stars are IN the Firmament which is a solid object. He also tells us that the Sun and the Moon are lights.
Genesis 1:6-7
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
GENESIS1:14-18 God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; let them be markers to separate seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light to the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule over the day and the lesser light to rule over the night, and he also made the stars. 17 God placed them in the Firmament of the heavens to light the earth 18 and to rule over the day and the night and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. God placed to lights IN the Firmament.
The word Firmament comes from old french (mid-13 c) meaning a support, a strengthening, strong steadfast, enduring. It was used in late Latin to translate from GREEK "Firm or Solid" when translated into ancient Hebrew we get the word RAQIA. which is the word used in the old testament in ancient HEBREW. which meant the vault of the sky ....or ...to make firm or solid. The Firmament is a solid structure and the Sun the moon and the stars are IN the Firmament
God also tells us that the Earth is set on pillars and it is immoveable. It cannot be moved. There is an adage about non believers that I love,
"Those who believe in nothing will fall for anything "
keep up the good work Aisling. I alway look forward to your posts.
Thanks for that Pippa - great work. Must root out Jacque Vallee's books. Thanks for the recommendation. Also a lot of people saying that this new AI technology is demonic, giving bad advice on purpose and corrupting children. I see the video game Fort Nite has 5G towers in its graphics now and all these demon characters. Horns everywhere. Demon tattoos all over the place too for some reason. Another area to explore. Incredible how we were encouraged to dismiss the Bible and embrace The Science on matters involving the shape of the place. Tried it on for size and now I'm back to the Bible. What a world!
"Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, or loose the cords of Orion? Can you lead forth a constellation in it's season, and guide the Bear (Ursa Major) with her satellites (sons) (Ursa Minor).? Do you know the ordinances of the heavens, or fix their rule over the earth?".
This was part of a series of questions that God asked Job, recorded in Ch. 38 of that amazing book in the Bible.
These questions still have not been answered over 4000 years later, by any scientist, or Elon Musk. Whether the earth is flat, spherical, elliptical, or spheroid doesn't matter. God rules over it all.
Magnificent. Those conversations with Job are poetry. We've got to know our place. It's a tough one because we want to know all the answers and the Beast system tells we're the same as God. We're not! All I know is they're lying about space, that's my starting point. 2 Esdras 16:59 "The Lord stretched out the sky and fixed it firmly over the water like a dome".
They lie about everything. Early in 2020, Mike Yeadon stated that "your government is lying to you". Constant lies, deception, falsehoods, about everything. Mike never spoke a truer word.
We could also quote from Ps. 19.
"The heavens tell of the glory of God.........in them He has placed a tent for the sun, which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber; it rejoices as a strong man, to run it's course. Its rising is from one end of the heavens and its circuit to the other end of them; and there is nothing hidden from its heat".
Agreed. God leaves us in no doubt tho as to what shape the earth is in his Word , The Bible. In Isaiah 40:22 , under inspiration, Isaiah writes “there is One who dwells above the CIRCLE of the earth (Hebrew word used here can also be translated “sphere” or “globe” ) and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers …” . How did Isaiah know in the 8th century BCE when he wrote that ? People thought the earth was flat, supported by an animal , such as an elephant, a boar or an ox ! The apostle Paul enlightens us here when writing to his companion Timothy He said “ all scripture is INSPIRED of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, FOR SETTING THINGS STRAIGHT, for disciplining in righteousness ..” Why? “So that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work” - 2 Tim 3:16,17.
Thankyou for an interesting discussion Aisling. Sending love from England
The Bible states that the Earth is a globe and it is suspended in Space. Pythagoras did the math, 500 years before Jesus walked on the Earth. The Earth is a globe, as is every other large object we see in Space.
Actually the word globe does not appear anywhere in the old testament which was written in Hebrew. The word GLOBE does not exist in ancient HEBREW. The word Globe comes from the word GLOBUS first used by a greek philosopher called SCRABO approx 150BC The so called"Globe earth is unproven pseudo science and flies in the face of BIBLICAL truth. It is a huge lie that has gained momentum and taken a life of it's own from generation to generation. Anyone who dares to question it is ridiculed and mocked.
The Bible actually states according to Psalm 104:5,
The earth is described as being “set on its foundations” by God, and it “can never be moved”. This verse is often cited as supporting the idea that the earth is fixed on pillars, unable to shift or rotate.
We do not have the word Globe in the Bible but we do have the word Ball in Isaiah and he knew the difference between a Ball and a Circle. The earth is described as a circle in the Bible
Isaiah 40:22 King James Version
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
Isaiah 22:18
18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.
The old testament was written without VOWELS or sentence breaks,
you are confused due to transposition, transliteration, & translation to imagine it says anything intelligible to the profane, it is a book of ESOTERIC study via GEMATRIA.
For someone to say the Bible is there for esoteric purposes so that people can use gematria, is someone who has deluded themselves to the point where don't fully believe what they have read and what their heart and soul tells them. When you start talking about the esoteric then you start venturing into the ancient Babylonian mystery schools, the Talmud,Kabbalah, Jewish mysticism, witchcraft and hoodoo voodoo hocus pocus.
But Gematria has no use outside of one purpose really, which is to calculate the beasts name. So it's a waste of time to fixate on it. It just a back door for people who don't have many emotions left and who aren't really children of God yet. But who do have some amount of wisdom and can figure out puzzles. You should be focusing on the New Testament and salvation.
> The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?" > > He replied, "Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables: > > "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand."
You prove here you are no believer in Christ of his words & teachings, just an ignorant poseur who has become an intellectual bigot.
''Matthew 7:6 (NIV):
> "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."
So what are you PIG or DOG or a another feeble PIGDOG ?
Crawl back under the rock you came from Pippa, you are a useless idiot who can't even do a basic search confirming what BSM wrote, & instead prove you're a pathetic bitter little shit ,who prefers lies & hubris to reasoned debate.
Explain to me why during the summer the days are longer in Scandinavia than in then Mediterranean, and vice versa during the winter. This literally proves curvature. Take all the time you need. I’ll be here.
It really doesn't prove curvature though, if you're being totally honest. There's no proof that water is bending and spinning at the same time, while being miraculously held down by gravity as little flies hover above the ocean, impervious to the pull. As I say, we don't have all the answers, we just know what it's not and must work from there. The models sold to us at school fall short of the mark if we're to investigate them properly and set aside our indoctrination. We've got to humble ourselves with the understanding we don't know a whole lot which can be hard for intellectuals.
Your entire flat earth premise is an appeal to incredulity. Yes, my argument does prove curvature, and does disprove your flat earth model. Not my fault you fail to understand it. Intelligent readers will.
The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
Rivers run down to sea-level finding the easiest course, North, South, East, West and all other intermediary directions over the Earth at the same time. If Earth were truly a spinning ball then many of these rivers would be impossibly flowing uphill, for example the Mississippi in its 3000 miles would have to ascend 11 miles before reaching the Gulf of Mexico.
One portion of the Nile River flows for a thousand miles with a fall of only one foot. Parts of the West African Congo, according to the supposed inclination and movement of the ball-Earth, would be sometimes running uphill and sometimes down. This would also be the case for the Panama canal, Paraguay and other long rivers.
If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference as NASA and modern astronomy claim, spherical trigonometry dictates the surface of all standing water must curve downward an easily measurable 8 inches per mile multiplied by the square of the distance. This means along a 6 mile channel of standing water, the Earth would dip 6 feet on either end from the central peak. Every time such experiments have been conducted, however, standing water has proven to be perfectly level.
Surveyors, engineers and architects are never required to factor the supposed curvature of the Earth into their projects. Canals, railways, bridges and tunnels for example are always cut and laid horizontally, often over hundreds of miles without any allowance for curvature.
The Suez Canal connecting the Mediterranean with the Red Sea is 100 miles long without any locks making the water an uninterrupted continuation of the two seas. When constructed, the Earth’s supposed curvature was not taken into account, it was dug along a horizontal datum line 26 feet below sea-level, passing through several lakes from one sea to the other, with the datum line and water’s surface running perfectly parallel over the 100 miles.
Engineer, W. Winckler was published in the Earth Review regarding the Earth’s supposed curvature, stating, “As an engineer of many years standing, I saw that this absurd allowance is only permitted in school books. No engineer would dream of allowing anything of the kind. I have projected many miles of railways and many more of canals and the allowance has not even been thought of, much less allowed for. This allowance for curvature means this - that it is 8” for the first mile of a canal, and increasing at the ratio by the square of the distance in miles; thus a small navigable canal for boats, say 30 miles long, will have, by the above rule an allowance for curvature of 600 feet. Think of that and then please credit engineers as not being quite such fools. Nothing of the sort is allowed. We no more think of allowing 600 feet for a line of 30 miles of railway or canal, than of wasting our time trying to square the circle”
The London and Northwestern Railway forms a straight line 180 miles long between London and Liverpool. The railroad’s highest point, midway at Birmingham station, is only 240 feet above sea-level. If the world were actually a globe, however, curving 8 inches per mile squared, the 180 mile stretch of rail would form an arc with the centre point at Birmingham raising over a mile, a full 5,400 feet above London and Liverpool.
You absolutely do not understand fluid dynamics let alone trigonometry. What you just said is hogwash. Makes zero sense. I feel dumber for reading it. Keep embarrassing yourselves
why don't you just stick to making your argument? why the nasty comments from behind an avatar? like the other troll below 'santa David'. Are you incapable of making a reasonable argument without getting personal? why not play the spinning ball and not the man? you would be more likely to win people over if you treated them with respect rather than derision. But then, I get the impression that you're not really interested in persuading people, are you? So what are you trying to do? disrupt? bully? offend?
There are so many examples to choose, but lets take one for argument sake. How is the shadow of this earth when projected on the moon at all different angles perfectly round? That alone proves its a globe. As I said there are so many more to choose from.
Man I agree that the earth is a globe but I completely disagree with your insulting approach. Its about as effective as the arguments youre trying to defeat. Take a new approach please man.
You said to the commenter above: "What you just said is hogwash. Makes zero sense. I feel dumber for reading it. Keep embarrassing yourselves" So, are you telling me that's not aggressive?
Ah. Youre a troll. 🙂 I suspected you might be but I wanted to check. Ill be ignoring all your comments from hereon and doing other things. Thanks again for clarifying and have a really nice day 🦋
I'm a flat earther, but I take it even further on my substack and show the earth is flat and melted and that mountains aren't what we are told they are.
The spinning globe theory is really weird. The flat earth theory is also really weird. Theyre both about as weird as each other- because reality itself is very weird and defies explanation. But I can see with my own eyes that the sun and moon are spherical and gravity- which I experience though my senses- is a pretty solid explanation for why that is. The globe theory fits with the logic of my God-given intelligence. I believe FE theory is wrong and I havent seen any solid evidence to support it- Ive calmly looked at some evidence with an open mind and would do so again- as long as its really compelling and I can test it. Unfortunately I dont have the time or resources to go to the antartica or take a rocket into space where a flat earth could be verified by sight. I think its nuts that people cant visit the polar caps and very suspicious but thats a completely separate matter. I respect people who think the earth is flat, I just cant accept it. If Im to accept a different model its going to have to challenge what I can see in front of me. Thats a very tall order. I know NASA lies, governments lie, and Im totally open to the moon landings being fake- because I cant see whether or not its true.
Heres another theory. I suspect the mass adoption of FE theory and the social media debates around it is a psy-op to divide us and distract us. Its fun to debate but it has relatively little impact on our struggle against the NWO. Lets not get divided or distracted. Believe whatever model suits you. Its not that important.
Hello Charles, I hope all is well with you. You say - " But I can see with my own eyes that the sun and moon are spherical" - Wrong - You need to rephrase that. What you really mean is - The sun and the moon are circular. When you look at the moon you see a circular object in the sky. In fact you see the same image all the time. It does not rotate or spin. So you have no idea if it is spherical or not. - BUT - You do know it is circular. Because your eyes tell you you are looking at a circular object. You also mention gravity. Gravity is only a theory, It has never been proved. If you think differently go and research it. You will find so called 'science' can't prove it. The same with the curvature of the earth it has never been proved. Or the so called " BIG BANG" That was invented by a Jesuit priest about 100 years ago and it is only a theory. Did you know that all the craters on the moon are named after Jesuit priests? Same with Darwin, his notion of evolution is another theory. I could go on and on but perhaps you are getting what I mean.
I've recently looked at the moon through powerful binoculars. It's really beautiful and very very spherical- You can see the shadows of the deep craters. Really spectacular. I think if you did the same it would actually change your mind. Give it a try if you can- find someone with such equipment.
Now. What do you mean gravity is only a theory? What's keeping you stuck to the ground? Did I understand you properly?
🙄😂😆😂 Here you CFK prove that you have never even bothered to investigate or listen about flat earth ideas, you must be a troll or a bot to evade pressure, density, electro statics & magnetism from your lumpen mind.
Yes indeed, Charles the problem with most people is cognitive dissonance. And besides condemnation before proper investigation is akin to ignorance. The word of God is infallible - It is TRUTH - and as such we should not question. Anyway you obviously have a problem having your beliefs challenged without investigating properly. I find that is the case with most atheists who hate having to face up everything they ever believed in being turned on it's head.. I am not here to give you the answers. I am only commenting to try and put you on the right path. You really need to do your own investigation. If you really want to know the TRUTH that is.
None of us have all the answers we need to go look for them.
"For I was conscious that I knew practically nothing "
We have to respect peoples intelligence and different opinions. There's a lot of attempts here to bully and ram opinions down throats. Thats not a way to go. Lets deal with how to have a conversation first before we figure out the earth model.
Thanks for the clarification. God gave me my five senses and a brain. I would be besmirching God if I didn't use them. I'm quite sure God isn't a dictator who doesn't want us to think for ourselves. This is not meant to offend, just to communicate.
Yes god of Old Testament is dictator & genocidal maniac, read the miserable injustice of the Book of Job to see him act like petulant spoilt brat having tantrum in playpen & being evil. For he 'is the author of all good & evil'.
How come no one is rallying around to gain major following to sail off to the Antarctic to confirm these lies for ourselves? I've been trying to organise a group of people for the past 2 years. So far we are a grand total of 6
Totally laughable that people would rather just write articles about the world we live in, as opposed to actually conducting their own scientific experiments to find out for themselves.
Hmmmm. What a prospect - watching and then listening to that turd, Musk, trying to persuade me he is a big brain. Take off mate, go back to the CIA, fer the luv a Jaysus. Add to this we have West Wing cutesiness round about same time, was it, do I care, as cutesy Tony Blair was bringing us kool Britania - watchunder I got a tchnicolor yawn coming on. Nuff already - I'm off for a walk.
Musk is like Trump's shadow. Don't remember anyone electing him. He's on a charm offensive. Ironman is here to save the day. Good man getting out for a walk. Beautiful night. The moon's so bright.
Thanks Aisling. You're doing a great job, the job that we all appreciate, involving work that real journalists do. I just hit a point where my instincts and nostrils said give it a break.
You, recent discovery Russ Winter of Winter Watch, Chris Hedges, Whitney Webb, Norman Finkelstein, The Gray Zone, Glen Greenwald, Corbett, Caitlin Johnstone, help keep me sane. I know I left somebody out . . hmm. Ah Jimmy Dore, Gript, John Waters, Who else? Oh yes, Gemma O' Doherty - and that does it.
Just ask where does Musk earn his billions? It's not from selling Teslas. Space X is a major government contractor. Does anyone really think that Musk will give that all up in the name of government efficiency?
Ok Aisling. I know you'll forgive me because you realise there has to be room for a bit o' kidding. That's what the unelected misery merchants want - no kidding, no joy, no dancin 'n singing. No mentioning zionists, freemasons and jesuits. Screw the lot o' these losers.
I genuinely don’t know what to believe. But I’m open to the earth being flat even though most people I know would think I was a looney bin if I said so. And very strange that people can’t go there without being chaperoned. What’s that about?
Hi Dorothy, it's very interesting to observe the way Flat Earth is managed in the alternative media and in the mainstream media. On this side of the fence we have the gatekeepers and the ones positioned to make it sound absurd and unreasonable and over the fence they do everything to kill the debate. The best way to be is open to new information and weed out the nonsense as best you can.
One of my thoughts was this Aisling : when Jesus ascended into Heaven he was taken up & the disciples stood & watched him go up. If it had been Australia He would have been going down & not up. And when he returns through the clouds, how will every eye see him, like the Bible says they will, if some people are down below. To my human brain this doesn’t make sense though God’s ways are different to ours & there are maybe things that we don’t understand (like a completely different type of science that allows you to be up side down at the same time that others are upright 😂😂😂).
Gravity can only answer so much! An upside-down Jesus in Oz. Now there's a thought! Not sure we're going to figure this one out today. 😁
So you think they're lying about the shape of the earth, but not lying about the Manchester bombing? Got you..........
Why conflate the two? My positions are clear. They're lying about the shape of the Earth. Space fantasy will play a crucial part in the next phase of the New World Order agenda. Richard D Hall is an intelligence asset who misled his followers to reach a false conclusion: no bomb, no victims. Why? To make conspiracy theorists look stupid and untrustworthy so the wider public are turned off. A bit like this 'final experiment' - the goal is to make those questioning NASA's lies look daft. It's important to know how and why they're playing us.
Hahaaaaaaaaa! Richard Hall or not, the Manchester bombing was a hoax. I and many others sussed that out at the time. Meanwhile, many people think flerfers are there to discredit conspiracy theories. Good luck on your trail……wherever it leads your subscribers.
Since you have it all worked out, can you explain what killed the victims and how did the survivors sustain their injuries? Would be very interested in your take. So far, nobody can provide a proper answer to this most crucial part of the equation.
No one got injured, no one got hurt. It was a psyop.
Dave White: Wrong. My granddaughter in law got her eardrums burst by the force of the blast which she didn't even hear as she was too close to it.
My grandson heard it from his car outside...he was there to collect her and her sister. They ran past people with blood streaming down their faces. My daughter, herself an ex nurse, knew two of the nurses who treated the victims in MRI. This was almost certainly a false flag but definitely not a hoax. It's easy to make pronouncements like that if you weren't there.
Ah jaysus, Ash. You re a cracking fine girl, and i'd be proud to call ya me daughter with your feisty style and your strong words but Will ye ever shtop with the CIA approved smoke and mirror routine. Mon now girl.
Kevin, the real CIA psyop is to call flat Earth a CIA psyop to discredit the movement! The YouTube Flat Earthers with large audiences cannot be trusted - their job is to throw people off the scent and undermine the movement. You'll soon see I'm not wasting time with this one as the space fantasy nonsense takes centre stage. Bear with me. I know it seems nutty but I'm not half as crazy as I look.
Y'ever hear of the "wilderness of mirrors", Princess? Have a look at it if you haven't. You're either wandering around in it, or clipping the hedge around it. Xx
Hi Ashling, Would be interested on your thoughts on 2 Ezra and the Book of Enoch and if we can trust them having been excluded from the modern KJV. God is not the author of confusion and he promised us he would give us his word so my gut tells me not to but the verse you quoted has me very curious.
Hi Anthony, I really don't know what to make of the Angel Uriel bit tbh. Maybe that's why it's not included in the main Bible and is part of the Aprocrypha. I still haven't read the Book of Enoch. I tried to read a downloaded version but I'd prefer to hold the book in my hands - you never see it to buy though which is telling. Interested in your thoughts on the subject.
Hi Ashling, Just IMHO I have tended to avoid these so called lost books of the Bible because, if God wanted us to read them and if they were indeed inspired, they would not have been omitted from the KJV that we have today for us, for what I believe is the last generation before his return . You can go down a real rabbit hole with the whole "watchers" thing to be honest. My feeling is that we don't need them. God talks about the simplicity that is in knowing Jesus and we have 66 books of his inspired word that will more than keep me busy for now. :-)
God knows who believes and who doesn't. He woke me up back towards the end of 2012. I had my light bulb moment when I learned that Jacques Vallee was convinced that UFO phenomenon were demonic in origin and from a different dimension and not this universe as most believe. Dr. Jacques F. Vallee has long been regarded as the most respected and senior scientific investigator of unidentified aerial phenomena. He was the inspiration for the French UFO researcher in Steven Spielberg’s Close Encounters of the Third Kind. He has investigated reports of UFOs all over the world. In the late 60’s, Vallee began exploring the commonalities between UFOs, the paranormal, and folklore. His observations were detailed in his book, Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers, in which he suggested a multidimensional hypothesis.
I went on a long journey of discovery after that, which led me down many rabbit holes. It eventually led me to Rob Skiba who I personally believe was murdered.
We are clearly told by God in Genesis 1 right from the beginning. The Sun the Moon and the Stars are IN the Firmament which is a solid object. He also tells us that the Sun and the Moon are lights.
Genesis 1:6-7
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
GENESIS1:14-18 God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; let them be markers to separate seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light to the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule over the day and the lesser light to rule over the night, and he also made the stars. 17 God placed them in the Firmament of the heavens to light the earth 18 and to rule over the day and the night and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. God placed to lights IN the Firmament.
The word Firmament comes from old french (mid-13 c) meaning a support, a strengthening, strong steadfast, enduring. It was used in late Latin to translate from GREEK "Firm or Solid" when translated into ancient Hebrew we get the word RAQIA. which is the word used in the old testament in ancient HEBREW. which meant the vault of the sky ....or ...to make firm or solid. The Firmament is a solid structure and the Sun the moon and the stars are IN the Firmament
God also tells us that the Earth is set on pillars and it is immoveable. It cannot be moved. There is an adage about non believers that I love,
"Those who believe in nothing will fall for anything "
keep up the good work Aisling. I alway look forward to your posts.
Thanks for that Pippa - great work. Must root out Jacque Vallee's books. Thanks for the recommendation. Also a lot of people saying that this new AI technology is demonic, giving bad advice on purpose and corrupting children. I see the video game Fort Nite has 5G towers in its graphics now and all these demon characters. Horns everywhere. Demon tattoos all over the place too for some reason. Another area to explore. Incredible how we were encouraged to dismiss the Bible and embrace The Science on matters involving the shape of the place. Tried it on for size and now I'm back to the Bible. What a world!
Check out this presentation by Rob Skiba. He is sadly missed by many people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUWpBYoipgM
A 24 hour sun works on the flatearth model as well... John Thor (YouTube) has a few vids showing this recently...
So here is a question:
"Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, or loose the cords of Orion? Can you lead forth a constellation in it's season, and guide the Bear (Ursa Major) with her satellites (sons) (Ursa Minor).? Do you know the ordinances of the heavens, or fix their rule over the earth?".
This was part of a series of questions that God asked Job, recorded in Ch. 38 of that amazing book in the Bible.
These questions still have not been answered over 4000 years later, by any scientist, or Elon Musk. Whether the earth is flat, spherical, elliptical, or spheroid doesn't matter. God rules over it all.
Magnificent. Those conversations with Job are poetry. We've got to know our place. It's a tough one because we want to know all the answers and the Beast system tells we're the same as God. We're not! All I know is they're lying about space, that's my starting point. 2 Esdras 16:59 "The Lord stretched out the sky and fixed it firmly over the water like a dome".
They lie about everything. Early in 2020, Mike Yeadon stated that "your government is lying to you". Constant lies, deception, falsehoods, about everything. Mike never spoke a truer word.
We could also quote from Ps. 19.
"The heavens tell of the glory of God.........in them He has placed a tent for the sun, which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber; it rejoices as a strong man, to run it's course. Its rising is from one end of the heavens and its circuit to the other end of them; and there is nothing hidden from its heat".
Better than Shakespeare.
Agreed. God leaves us in no doubt tho as to what shape the earth is in his Word , The Bible. In Isaiah 40:22 , under inspiration, Isaiah writes “there is One who dwells above the CIRCLE of the earth (Hebrew word used here can also be translated “sphere” or “globe” ) and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers …” . How did Isaiah know in the 8th century BCE when he wrote that ? People thought the earth was flat, supported by an animal , such as an elephant, a boar or an ox ! The apostle Paul enlightens us here when writing to his companion Timothy He said “ all scripture is INSPIRED of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, FOR SETTING THINGS STRAIGHT, for disciplining in righteousness ..” Why? “So that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work” - 2 Tim 3:16,17.
Thankyou for an interesting discussion Aisling. Sending love from England
The Bible states that the Earth is a globe and it is suspended in Space. Pythagoras did the math, 500 years before Jesus walked on the Earth. The Earth is a globe, as is every other large object we see in Space.
Actually the word globe does not appear anywhere in the old testament which was written in Hebrew. The word GLOBE does not exist in ancient HEBREW. The word Globe comes from the word GLOBUS first used by a greek philosopher called SCRABO approx 150BC The so called"Globe earth is unproven pseudo science and flies in the face of BIBLICAL truth. It is a huge lie that has gained momentum and taken a life of it's own from generation to generation. Anyone who dares to question it is ridiculed and mocked.
The Bible actually states according to Psalm 104:5,
The earth is described as being “set on its foundations” by God, and it “can never be moved”. This verse is often cited as supporting the idea that the earth is fixed on pillars, unable to shift or rotate.
We do not have the word Globe in the Bible but we do have the word Ball in Isaiah and he knew the difference between a Ball and a Circle. The earth is described as a circle in the Bible
Isaiah 40:22 King James Version
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
Isaiah 22:18
18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.
The old testament was written without VOWELS or sentence breaks,
you are confused due to transposition, transliteration, & translation to imagine it says anything intelligible to the profane, it is a book of ESOTERIC study via GEMATRIA.
To imagine otherwise is idiotic & vain.
For someone to say the Bible is there for esoteric purposes so that people can use gematria, is someone who has deluded themselves to the point where don't fully believe what they have read and what their heart and soul tells them. When you start talking about the esoteric then you start venturing into the ancient Babylonian mystery schools, the Talmud,Kabbalah, Jewish mysticism, witchcraft and hoodoo voodoo hocus pocus.
But Gematria has no use outside of one purpose really, which is to calculate the beasts name. So it's a waste of time to fixate on it. It just a back door for people who don't have many emotions left and who aren't really children of God yet. But who do have some amount of wisdom and can figure out puzzles. You should be focusing on the New Testament and salvation.
🙄😂🤣😂 You are obviously mental & ignorant, therefore i will not educate you & you can be laughing stock among those who know.
That is possibly the most insane , arrogant opinion I have ever read on substack so far .Thank you for amusement.
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Mc PigDog?
Matthew 13:10-13 (NIV):
> The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?" > > He replied, "Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables: > > "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand."
You prove here you are no believer in Christ of his words & teachings, just an ignorant poseur who has become an intellectual bigot.
''Matthew 7:6 (NIV):
> "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."
So what are you PIG or DOG or a another feeble PIGDOG ?
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Crawl back under the rock you came from Pippa, you are a useless idiot who can't even do a basic search confirming what BSM wrote, & instead prove you're a pathetic bitter little shit ,who prefers lies & hubris to reasoned debate.
Explain to me why during the summer the days are longer in Scandinavia than in then Mediterranean, and vice versa during the winter. This literally proves curvature. Take all the time you need. I’ll be here.
It really doesn't prove curvature though, if you're being totally honest. There's no proof that water is bending and spinning at the same time, while being miraculously held down by gravity as little flies hover above the ocean, impervious to the pull. As I say, we don't have all the answers, we just know what it's not and must work from there. The models sold to us at school fall short of the mark if we're to investigate them properly and set aside our indoctrination. We've got to humble ourselves with the understanding we don't know a whole lot which can be hard for intellectuals.
Your entire flat earth premise is an appeal to incredulity. Yes, my argument does prove curvature, and does disprove your flat earth model. Not my fault you fail to understand it. Intelligent readers will.
The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
Rivers run down to sea-level finding the easiest course, North, South, East, West and all other intermediary directions over the Earth at the same time. If Earth were truly a spinning ball then many of these rivers would be impossibly flowing uphill, for example the Mississippi in its 3000 miles would have to ascend 11 miles before reaching the Gulf of Mexico.
One portion of the Nile River flows for a thousand miles with a fall of only one foot. Parts of the West African Congo, according to the supposed inclination and movement of the ball-Earth, would be sometimes running uphill and sometimes down. This would also be the case for the Panama canal, Paraguay and other long rivers.
If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference as NASA and modern astronomy claim, spherical trigonometry dictates the surface of all standing water must curve downward an easily measurable 8 inches per mile multiplied by the square of the distance. This means along a 6 mile channel of standing water, the Earth would dip 6 feet on either end from the central peak. Every time such experiments have been conducted, however, standing water has proven to be perfectly level.
Surveyors, engineers and architects are never required to factor the supposed curvature of the Earth into their projects. Canals, railways, bridges and tunnels for example are always cut and laid horizontally, often over hundreds of miles without any allowance for curvature.
The Suez Canal connecting the Mediterranean with the Red Sea is 100 miles long without any locks making the water an uninterrupted continuation of the two seas. When constructed, the Earth’s supposed curvature was not taken into account, it was dug along a horizontal datum line 26 feet below sea-level, passing through several lakes from one sea to the other, with the datum line and water’s surface running perfectly parallel over the 100 miles.
Engineer, W. Winckler was published in the Earth Review regarding the Earth’s supposed curvature, stating, “As an engineer of many years standing, I saw that this absurd allowance is only permitted in school books. No engineer would dream of allowing anything of the kind. I have projected many miles of railways and many more of canals and the allowance has not even been thought of, much less allowed for. This allowance for curvature means this - that it is 8” for the first mile of a canal, and increasing at the ratio by the square of the distance in miles; thus a small navigable canal for boats, say 30 miles long, will have, by the above rule an allowance for curvature of 600 feet. Think of that and then please credit engineers as not being quite such fools. Nothing of the sort is allowed. We no more think of allowing 600 feet for a line of 30 miles of railway or canal, than of wasting our time trying to square the circle”
The London and Northwestern Railway forms a straight line 180 miles long between London and Liverpool. The railroad’s highest point, midway at Birmingham station, is only 240 feet above sea-level. If the world were actually a globe, however, curving 8 inches per mile squared, the 180 mile stretch of rail would form an arc with the centre point at Birmingham raising over a mile, a full 5,400 feet above London and Liverpool.
You absolutely do not understand fluid dynamics let alone trigonometry. What you just said is hogwash. Makes zero sense. I feel dumber for reading it. Keep embarrassing yourselves
why don't you just stick to making your argument? why the nasty comments from behind an avatar? like the other troll below 'santa David'. Are you incapable of making a reasonable argument without getting personal? why not play the spinning ball and not the man? you would be more likely to win people over if you treated them with respect rather than derision. But then, I get the impression that you're not really interested in persuading people, are you? So what are you trying to do? disrupt? bully? offend?
I’m trying to point out that the flat earth is a government psyop
There are so many examples to choose, but lets take one for argument sake. How is the shadow of this earth when projected on the moon at all different angles perfectly round? That alone proves its a globe. As I said there are so many more to choose from.
Man I agree that the earth is a globe but I completely disagree with your insulting approach. Its about as effective as the arguments youre trying to defeat. Take a new approach please man.
MY insulting approach?
You said to the commenter above: "What you just said is hogwash. Makes zero sense. I feel dumber for reading it. Keep embarrassing yourselves" So, are you telling me that's not aggressive?
What was that a reply to? And who tf are you? Are we in kindergarten class?
Ah. Youre a troll. 🙂 I suspected you might be but I wanted to check. Ill be ignoring all your comments from hereon and doing other things. Thanks again for clarifying and have a really nice day 🦋
Flattard
The pope still rapes and kills children on a flat earth. No one gives a shit whether the earth is flat or round. Stop harming children!!!
I'm not dicking around here John. The information I'm putting out will serve us as we go on. It may not be popular but it's necessary.
I'm a flat earther, but I take it even further on my substack and show the earth is flat and melted and that mountains aren't what we are told they are.
The spinning globe theory is really weird. The flat earth theory is also really weird. Theyre both about as weird as each other- because reality itself is very weird and defies explanation. But I can see with my own eyes that the sun and moon are spherical and gravity- which I experience though my senses- is a pretty solid explanation for why that is. The globe theory fits with the logic of my God-given intelligence. I believe FE theory is wrong and I havent seen any solid evidence to support it- Ive calmly looked at some evidence with an open mind and would do so again- as long as its really compelling and I can test it. Unfortunately I dont have the time or resources to go to the antartica or take a rocket into space where a flat earth could be verified by sight. I think its nuts that people cant visit the polar caps and very suspicious but thats a completely separate matter. I respect people who think the earth is flat, I just cant accept it. If Im to accept a different model its going to have to challenge what I can see in front of me. Thats a very tall order. I know NASA lies, governments lie, and Im totally open to the moon landings being fake- because I cant see whether or not its true.
Heres another theory. I suspect the mass adoption of FE theory and the social media debates around it is a psy-op to divide us and distract us. Its fun to debate but it has relatively little impact on our struggle against the NWO. Lets not get divided or distracted. Believe whatever model suits you. Its not that important.
Hello Charles, I hope all is well with you. You say - " But I can see with my own eyes that the sun and moon are spherical" - Wrong - You need to rephrase that. What you really mean is - The sun and the moon are circular. When you look at the moon you see a circular object in the sky. In fact you see the same image all the time. It does not rotate or spin. So you have no idea if it is spherical or not. - BUT - You do know it is circular. Because your eyes tell you you are looking at a circular object. You also mention gravity. Gravity is only a theory, It has never been proved. If you think differently go and research it. You will find so called 'science' can't prove it. The same with the curvature of the earth it has never been proved. Or the so called " BIG BANG" That was invented by a Jesuit priest about 100 years ago and it is only a theory. Did you know that all the craters on the moon are named after Jesuit priests? Same with Darwin, his notion of evolution is another theory. I could go on and on but perhaps you are getting what I mean.
The moon rotates back & forth but never rotates fully.
I do not wish to anger you with this knowledge derived from observation.
No anger from me. If I was the only person in the world who admitted what I see in front of my own eyes I'd still do it.
I've recently looked at the moon through powerful binoculars. It's really beautiful and very very spherical- You can see the shadows of the deep craters. Really spectacular. I think if you did the same it would actually change your mind. Give it a try if you can- find someone with such equipment.
Now. What do you mean gravity is only a theory? What's keeping you stuck to the ground? Did I understand you properly?
🙄😂😆😂 Here you CFK prove that you have never even bothered to investigate or listen about flat earth ideas, you must be a troll or a bot to evade pressure, density, electro statics & magnetism from your lumpen mind.
Yes indeed, Charles the problem with most people is cognitive dissonance. And besides condemnation before proper investigation is akin to ignorance. The word of God is infallible - It is TRUTH - and as such we should not question. Anyway you obviously have a problem having your beliefs challenged without investigating properly. I find that is the case with most atheists who hate having to face up everything they ever believed in being turned on it's head.. I am not here to give you the answers. I am only commenting to try and put you on the right path. You really need to do your own investigation. If you really want to know the TRUTH that is.
None of us have all the answers we need to go look for them.
"For I was conscious that I knew practically nothing "
Socrates
We have to respect peoples intelligence and different opinions. There's a lot of attempts here to bully and ram opinions down throats. Thats not a way to go. Lets deal with how to have a conversation first before we figure out the earth model.
The Greek/Hellenes were philosopher's, not Gnostics , that is why ! They come later & lost the knowledge of the Hyperborean.
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Thanks for the clarification. God gave me my five senses and a brain. I would be besmirching God if I didn't use them. I'm quite sure God isn't a dictator who doesn't want us to think for ourselves. This is not meant to offend, just to communicate.
Yes god of Old Testament is dictator & genocidal maniac, read the miserable injustice of the Book of Job to see him act like petulant spoilt brat having tantrum in playpen & being evil. For he 'is the author of all good & evil'.
Happy New Year, Aisling.
I don't know about everybody else but I'm standing still, stationary. The whole thing Def felt like a bad PR stunt.
How come no one is rallying around to gain major following to sail off to the Antarctic to confirm these lies for ourselves? I've been trying to organise a group of people for the past 2 years. So far we are a grand total of 6
Totally laughable that people would rather just write articles about the world we live in, as opposed to actually conducting their own scientific experiments to find out for themselves.
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